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Posted on Thursday 21 December 2006 at 8:11 pm

More Book 7 Title Speculation

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J.K. Rowling and her merry band of associated companies have a tendency to copyright Harry Potter and the ... titles that never get used. Someone over at hogwarts_grads pointed out that, at one point, Harry Potter and the Hallows of Hogwarts and Harry Potter and the Hogwarts' Hallows were patented, though they have now been withdrawn.

You can see the patent info here.

While some of the patented and released titles are things JKR has admitted were considered titles for previous books, others are not. I wonder if these were seriously considered, back in the day, as possible book 7 titles. If so, speculation of Horcruxes inclusive might be wrong but the focus on the artifacts of the founding four might be getting somewhere.

EDIT: I originally posted this as a comment on someone else's journal but decided it also fits here so I've C&Ped:
I can see Deathly Hallows referencing the Horcruxes. But if that is the case, I want an explanation as to why they would be called Deathly Hallows instead of just calling them Horcruxes. Perhaps while researching ways to destroy Horcruxes they discover something about them that makes Voldemort's Horcruxes not true Horcruxes or something more than Horcruxes which is what makes them Deathly Hallows? Something akin to the diary where he gave them special powers beyond those of an ordinary Horcrux (at least, I'm assuming some of what the diary did was not normal for a Horcrux)?
Feeling: contemplative


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lady_bracknell at 1:26 pm on 22 December 2006 (UTC) (Link)
That's really interesting (although I can very much imagine JKR just doing these things so she can sit back and watch fandom go crazy, chuckling to herself about how way off the mark we all are). Now I'm thinking that Hallows could be the founders - or even some vestige of themselves they left in the Sorting Hat or somewhere else.

It always struck me that there's a lot in common between the sorting hat, the Riddle Diary and the Marauder's Map, in that they've all got a bit of the personality of the person/people who created them that works independently, and I'm wondering if the founders' artifacts might have something similar, and they'd be the Hallows.

The one thing that really strikes me about the title is that it's a bit of a tautology - Hallows can't be anything other than deathly, can they? So why specify..?
bratty_jedi at 2:47 pm on 22 December 2006 (UTC) (Link)
I completely agree that she does rather like to rile us up and could just be having fun. But even if she was just having fun, she must have had the word "hallows" in mind for quite some time.

I do want to know more about the Sorting Hat and think that could be important. We still have no idea how much of the hat is its own personality and how much is from the Founders, we don't know how Gryffindor's sword got in it (or how Harry got it out), etc. And we do know Voldie was supremely interested in things of the Founders for his Horcruxes. If the Founders each have something else with bits of the personalities, are they the same items that Voldie made into Horcruxes or are there two items for each Founder floating around?

It is curious about Deathly Hallows. I suppose the short answer would be I have no idea what it all means. But then, who other than JKR does?
lady_bracknell at 3:01 pm on 22 December 2006 (UTC) (Link)
If the Founders each have something else with bits of the personalities, are they the same items that Voldie made into Horcruxes or are there two items for each Founder floating around?

I've seen a lot of people saying that this title is totally doom and gloom - but I really don't agree, because I don't think Harry's afraid of death, and Voldemort is. So I've been wondering if the deathly hallows apply more to him - that in some way the Deathly Hallows are on Harry's side (which could be either te ghosts of people he's loveed and lost, or something else).

If we're assuming it's the same items that Voldemort made horcruxes that have some vestige of the founders in, I wonder if it's possible that the bit of the founders could have already done something to the bit of soul Voldemort left in them? How much magic do these items have? The Marauder's Map seems to have a lot - it seems to be able to read minds almost, and is quite self aware - I've always wondered what else it might be able to do, and likewise the Sorting Hat and its amazing appearing sword trick.

Gah! So many questions.....
bratty_jedi at 3:30 pm on 22 December 2006 (UTC) (Link)
I don't think the word "Deathly" in the title automatically means something horrible for Harry. Why would it? Call the book HP and the Death of HP or HP and the Triumph of Lord Voldemort or HP and the Death or Remus or Tonks and I'll begin to worry. Deathly Hallows fails to scare me and I think it would be great if they (whatever they are) are on his side, so to speak.

One point in favor of the artifacts with vestiges of the Founders being the same as the items Voldie used to make Horcruxes is that the person who had Hufflepuff's cup before Voldie told him that it had magical properties that she had not fully investigated. Perhaps those properties came from however the Founders put their personalities into the items?

Also, we still need 2 or 3 Horcruxes. We know the diary and the ring (both destroyed), Slytherin's locket (unknown fate), Hufflepuff's cup, and the bit still in Voldie. That leave 2 bits, unless he replaced the diary after he knew it was destroyed, which would leave 3 (I tend toward 2). The best guesses, in my opinion, are Ravenclaw's something, Gryffindor's something, and Nagini. I'm not inclined to the "Harry is a Horcrux" theory and of the three other options, I suspect Gryffindor's is the least likely. All we know of of his is the Sorting Hat (is the personality in it more him than any of the other Founders since it was his originally?) and the sword and I can't see Voldie getting his hands on either of those. We don't know of anything of Ravenclaw's and I think it more likely the JKR will introduce something new from someone new than a third Gryffindor artifact.

Wouldn't it be great if something about putting personalities into objects without putting part of your actual soul into it with all the entails became essential to the plot, requiring Harry to ask Remus all kinds of helpful questions about the creation of the Marauder's Map? I can dream, can't I?

I love how we just build supposition upon supposition. If we assume this, then we can assume this and this, which means this has to be true! By the time we reach the "has to be true" we are probably far from the truth, but it sure is fun.

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