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Posted on Tuesday 5 March 2013 at 6:06 pm

30 Days of Fictional Females Meme - Day Five: Favourite female character on a male-driven show


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qwentoozla at 6:26 am on 06 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I have to say, I also don't find Steven Moffat to be misogynist... I sometimes disagree with his decisions, and I can sometimes see where people are coming from with their objections, but he just doesn't seem like a misogynist writer to me? I'm kind of relieved to hear you say so, because I consider myself a feminist too, and I wouldn't want to go around excusing sexism willy-nilly. :)

I have a few problems with the plot points surrounding some of the revelations about her, but I don't have any serious problems with her.

I definitely agree with this. :)
bratty_jedi at 11:39 am on 06 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I'm kind of relieved to hear you say so, because I consider myself a feminist too, and I wouldn't want to go around excusing sexism willy-nilly.

Hooray for solidarity!

When it comes to things like this - like sexism, racism, etc. - I suppose there are some things that are so obviously discriminatory or whatever that no one can really argue with it and then everything else is maybe open to debate. I'm certainly not saying that just because I don't find Moffat's writing sexist that that is the end of the discussion and no one else can find it that way either, but unlike you I don't see where people are coming from with their objections. I honestly, 100%, just don't get him as being sexist at all and there are actually several things in Who under his direction, not necessarily all from episodes he wrote but still, that I would point to as examples of how to do sex and gender correctly.
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unsentimentalf at 9:47 pm on 07 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
River Song is a marvellous character in pretty much every respect.

I see these accusations fly around and I wonder whether people are losing sight of what fiction involves, or whether they ever understood it in the first place. A character isn't there just to be a role model, or to demonstrate that women are strong/independent/whatever; she's there to be part of a story. Sure, if none of a show's women characters are ever more than filling or always end up sacrificed then they're doing something wrong, but the fact that a single female character ends up with an arc you don't like doesn't make the writer misogynist. He's not there to write the ending you wanted. (That's what fanfic's for.)
bratty_jedi at 10:49 pm on 07 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
It feels sometimes with Doctor Who that people are mad that the story lines of the other characters revolve around the Doctor. They say it is sexist that Amy and River are both just there to help tell a man's story (The Doctor) and that is proof of Moffat's sexism. I just want to ask them what they think the big title screen that says "DOCTOR WHO" means if not that, yeah, this show is about the Doctor and every other character's story, regardless of the gender/sex of those characters, is secondary to and there to support the titular character and that is in fact a feature not a bug.

I feel like a lot of the criticism of Moffat is him getting blamed for larger societal problems that he hasn't created. Yes, it sucks that the vast majority of pop culture can't pass the Bechdel Test, but not every single thing that can't pass it is automatically sexist or created by a misogynist. The individual pieces may not be problematic even if the aggregate is and you can't blame the creator of one piece for the problems of the whole.

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