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Posted on Wednesday 29 May 2013 at 9:48 pm

Into Darkness


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I saw Star Trek tonight (I know. I'm late to the party). Here are my main reactions...

Random thoughts from during the movie that you might or might not be able to place:
  • I love Scotty.
  • Wait... how did they get the Enterprise under the ocean without any of the natives having seen it?
  • I love Simon Pegg.
  • When one is arrested in late twentieth and early twenty-first century America, one is given one's Miranda Rights. Apparently, when one is arrested in twenty-whatever-this-is century space by Starfleet, one is immediately provided with hair gel. EDIT: New thought just caught up with me. Perhaps one is not given hair gel. Perhaps this is the moment when one is given a shower that leaves one with wet hair looking like it has gel in it. For explanation, see this video of a cut scene of Cumberbatch in the shower that has been making the rounds. No idea if this is when it would have been or not, but I suppose it works.
  • Definitely love Scotty.
  • Still a little annoyed about the whole publicity campaign to lie about it being Khan (see here for that rant, if interested). Still think that was pointless. Glad I found out before actually seeing the film as I'm less annoyed and therefore less distracted. Not at all annoyed about it actually being Khan.
  • Yeah, seriously. Simon Pegg has officially stolen every scene he has been in. Long live Scotty!
  • Everyone totally saw Kirk's resurrection coming from at least 45-minutes away in film time, right? Based on the reaction of the old couple in front of me in the theater, the answer to that is no, but, seriously?
  • On that subject, why does it have to be Khan's blood? Don't they have 72 other genetically modified people whose blood would presumably have the same effect? And none of those people are rather inconveniently awake and on a murderous rampage.

I saw it with two friends and we briefly discussed it after. The main takeaways from our conversation, points on which we were all in agreement:
  • The cast was all great, but Pegg ruled (not just my opinion)!
  • Overall, well done and enjoyable film.
  • So, there's this magic blood that can cure every disease and bring people back from the dead and we're just going to freeze it away and not use it? Bones made a serum from the DNA so maybe he has more and can replicate it, so maybe freezing the original source away isn't a problem. In that case, basically no one should ever die in this Star Trek reboot universe ever again. Why do I have a feeling this is never going to be mentioned again? That's a wee bit problematic.

So, yeah, that's it. Anyone else seen it and have thoughts? Actually, I know I saw a few reaction posts on the flist but I skipped them since I hadn't seen the film yet. I'll try to find them to read tomorrow (feel free to drop me the direct link if you are so inclined) if I get the time around laundry and packing and scheduling my weekly BBC Radio fix.

Comments:

donutsweeper
donutsweeper at 2:31 am on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
We saw it with the kids this weekend. Hub and I had seen The Wrath Of Khan, the teens had not.

I thought it.... was lacking. It was an okay way to waste a few hours but that was about it.

The Khan/not Khan/jk he's really Khan thing really annoyed me.

Kirk's resurrection was silly. I can't imagine anyone really thought he'd stay dead.

I didn't get WHY Bones played around with Khan's blood, especially with a randomly dead tribble- the whole reason for it was just so it could revive and therefore they could revive Kirk which was pretty lame.

The timing of the movie was bad and when actually looked at there were tons of questions. Kirk wonders what was in the bag Khan stole and why he attacked the repository at the very moment Khan attacks? What exactly was the admiral's plan? How did Khan switch the bombs with his people with no one noticing? What was the point of that if he thought they'd actually be used as bombs?

Pegg was awesome. And Chris Pine has very blue eyes. *sighs hapily*

Oh, and I assumed the Enterprise entered the water a ways out and then traveled to the shore underwater. Maybe?
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 2:16 pm on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
It was an okay way to waste a few hours but that was about it.
I guess I just didn't really find it lacking because that's what I expected it to be. I wanted a fun way to spend a couple of hours with lots of vaguely scifi action and explosions and a little bit of drama. That's what I felt I got. So I enjoyed myself.

The Khan/not Khan/jk he's really Khan thing really annoyed me.
Yeah. I think it was handled fine int he film, but I am still bothered by the publicity stuff.

The timing of the movie was bad
I don't really remember feeling the timing was off overall. I do remember a few specific moments that seemed a little drawn out and overwrought, but as I was watching it I didn't think about my problem with those moments in terms of the timing but rather in terms of the music being annoying. The soundtrack seemed designed to yell at you "Are you feeling the emotion we want you to feel right now? Are you? I don't think you are! Here, let me tell you again how it is you are supposed to be feeling." That is hardly a problem unique to this film for me, though. It happens a lot, especially with comic book or action adventure movies.

Kirk wonders what was in the bag Khan stole
This is one I should have remembered to include in my initial post. What was in the bag? I expected it to turn out to be some data Khan needed or something on him that he wanted to steal so no one could figure out his true ID, but that didn't happen and it just got dropped. I didn't mind the rest of the way that played out, with Khan showing up just as Kirk predicts it because that's what happens in fiction. Everything is more coincidental or purposeful than reality. It's Chekhov's Gun, basically.

I guess I just don't have a problem with the rest of the things to which you object. I felt I had a decent enough understanding of the admiral's plan. Bones playing wwith the serum made sense to me as he said it has the most amazing regenerative capabilities and he wanted to see what all it could do. I don't know. I was OK with all that.
What's Taters, Precious?
mrstater at 4:14 am on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
Oh man. Why did they cut that shower scene? *is a very shallow Star Trek fan*
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 2:16 pm on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
Shallowness on occasion is perfectly acceptable. :)
Wine gums, envy, pieces of rainbow
qwentoozla at 5:40 am on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I was so pleased Scotty got more to do in this movie! He was great. I agree that the Khan thing was pointless. For some reason, the fact that there were other frozen people to get blood from did not occur to me at all until someone pointed it out! In fact, neither did the question of how they got the Enterprise underwater without anyone noticing. Maybe they did it... at night? While all the aliens were... busy? I did wonder about further applications of Khan's blood, though, even though no one in the movie did!

I also saw Kirk's resurrection coming! But I did enjoy Spock having ~emotions (Spock is my favorite). I thought Benedict was excellent. And they so should have left the shower scene in!
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 2:29 pm on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I can come up with a possible explanation for getting the Enterprise underwater but it is tough. If the planet is big enough that there is a place far enough away from any populated land to enter the atmosphere and descend toward the surface without anyone spotting an unexplained comet, then they could have gotten to the surface and entered the water from the middle of the ocean and traveled underwater. Maybe. That's a very big IF though (the Enterprise would be visible from a VERY long way away) and I'm not convinced the ship could really travel under water for long and that far given that she isn't exactly aerodynamic (hydrodynamic?).

Spock's moment of "So many feels!" to put it in fan speak, was kind of awesome. Though thinking through all that to the end just reminded me of another question I had: why did Uhura's gun not work at stunning Khan when Scotty's had?

Overall, I'd agree Cumberbatch did a great job. There was one scene where I found his acting a bit distracting and a bit too much obviously acting, but it was just for a bit and otherwise I very much enjoyed him in the role.
Unsentimental Fool
unsentimentalf at 11:32 am on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
Um. Well firstly I loved the film. The main three leads were all excellent and bounced off each other beautifully,the way they played with the plot of the original film was smart and I always loved Khan anyway. (Big teenage crush).

Having said that, why the hell do modern action films have to do the whole imminent catastrophe at the start and every ten minutes thereafter thing? Instead of a decent build up to climax we have to have "something goes wrong and lives are in danger" every time anyone does anything at all.

I am a huge fan of Simon Pegg, Hot Fuzz being the second funniest film in the world (after Grosse Point Blank), but the best I can say about Scotty is that he wasn't quite as bad as in the last film. Star Trek has always worked on dry humour not comedy turns. The original character had gravitas. Pegg doesn't. And that fake scottish accent is awful.

Re the serum thing, I'm sure i remember plenty of star trek eps where they discover the secret to eternal life and hush it up because of the moral implications. Or if not then there ought to have been- it's very ST. Maintaining social order always trumps everything else:-)
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 2:33 pm on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
Well firstly I loved the film. The main three leads were all excellent and bounced off each other beautifully,the way they played with the plot of the original film was smart and I always loved Khan anyway.
Pretty much. :)

why the hell do modern action films have to do the whole imminent catastrophe at the start and every ten minutes thereafter thing?
Yeah. There is definitely the roller coaster up-and-down mentality. I don't mind it but I do agree that variety would be nice. Some action movies could be that way, but maybe some could try a different pattern for a while?

the best I can say about Scotty is that he wasn't quite as bad as in the last film. Star Trek has always worked on dry humour not comedy turns. The original character had gravitas. Pegg doesn't. And that fake scottish accent is awful.
I guess I just disagree. I think it works as a bit of lightheartedness and isn't that far from some stuff in older Trek. I see his accent as similar to, though not the same extreme as, Chekov's. It's not supposed to be fully realistic.

it's very ST. Maintaining social order always trumps everything else:-)
Fair point. Fair point, indeed.
aoife
failte_aoife at 11:39 am on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
My reaction to the movie was quite similar to yours (with the adition of 'Chekov is really really cute'...*searches for her entry* Here...yeah I liked Chekov a lot).

I'm not sure what it says about me/the movie/my expectaions for it that I basically shrugged off the whole resurection-bit. I mean it was obvious that they wouldn't actually kill Kirk off, so I just went along with whatever came. Magical unicorns Magical blood? Sure why not?


why does it have to be Khan's blood?
That is a good question. They could at least have pulled out a reason why he is more special than the others out of somewhere (no matter how stupid...in such cases I rather have some totally outlandish reasons than it just being ignored completely).
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 2:37 pm on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I very much enjoyed Chekov, too. He was definitely cute with his little "I am so out of my depth, but I'm trying!" I thought all the guys were interesting and a fun mix. I unfortunately can't say the same about the two main women, but I'll let that go.

in such cases I rather have some totally outlandish reasons than it just being ignored completely
Me, too. I mean, I can come up with explanations, but it would be nice for something to have been offered. In this case, my best theory so far is that the others are still frozen so their blood isn't really flowing and the time it would take to wake one up enough to get the blood flowing enough would be too long for Kirk's brain to not decay, even in a frozen state himself. Maybe.
sunshine304
sunshine304 at 2:40 pm on 30 May 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I've ranted a bit about this movie here, if you're interested.

Yes, Scotty totally ruled! I also loved Bones in the few scenes he had, because he's always so pissed off. *g*

I didn't expect the movie to go into deep character analysis, but it didn't make me connect to the characters at all. But that's something that I want out of a block buster - fun and action, but also really liking the characters and having some connection to them. That's why I liked "Iron Man 3" so much better.

The action was great, but there was too much of it. And yes, they'll likely totally forget about the magic blood. Also, as much as I understand that Trekkies love Leonard Nimoy - it's kind of lazy to always bring him in for questioning whenever the crew doesn't know what to do. "Sooo, alter ego from the future, do you perhaps know some strange guy named Khan and how to get rid of him?" XD



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