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Posted on Tuesday 5 March 2013 at 6:06 pm

30 Days of Fictional Females Meme - Day Five: Favourite female character on a male-driven show


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Day Five: Favourite female character on a male-driven show
Almost any character who appears in any other answer in this meme could be an answer for this question as most things are male-driven. I'm really not sure what to go with since I'm trying not to repeat anyone but I don't know for sure what I'll answer all the other days. I'll just throw out a few ideas and see if anything strikes me enough to be worth writing about...
Sherlock: I like Molly and Mrs. Hudson both but I don't know I'd describe either as a serious favorite. Could depend on what happens with Molly in series 3.
West Wing: I love Donna and CJ, both. I'm also a fan of Ainsley, even though she wasn't around as long as is a bit of a canon Mary Sue. I will definitely write more about Donna later. Not sure about CJ.
Star Wars: Mara Jade has already been discussed. Leia is awesome but might pop up as a female character ruined by canon as she is very hit and miss in her portrayal (as is everything when you delve into the Expanded Universe).
Indiana Jones: Love Marion! She really is the only female character worth anything in the movies and there isn't much better pickings in the novels and comics I've read.
Harry Potter: Hermione, Ginny, and Tonks are all awesome female characters I love to pieces and will almost certainly be discussed later.
Doctor Who: I love River Song and Donna both from NuWho. I'll definitely write more about Donna later. Not sure if River Song will fit in someplace else or not I'll just say a bit about her now, I guess. First and foremost, despite being rather politically active and socially conscious and despite being the type of person that some might offensively and derisively call a feminazi, I have never seen Stephen Moffat as sexist/misogynistic. I have had some people try to explain to me why they find him so and I have read many internet posts on the subject and I just don't see the evidence for the accusation. I like River Song, who is often held up as a prime example of Moffat's misogyny. I think she had a certain kind of appeal when we knew little about her and has a different appeal when we found out more about her. I have a few problems with the plot points surrounding some of the revelations about her, but I don't have any serious problems with her.
Other: Most of my other male-driven fandoms are so male heavy that I can't think of a female character to list as a favorite. There's Jeeves with Bertie's many aunts (OK, Dahlia is kind of cool). Monkees and Hogan's Heroes have no major females and very few even recurrent ones. You get the idea.

The 30 Questions for 30 Days
Day One: Favourite lead female character
Day Two: Favourite supporting female character
Day Three: A female character you hated but grew to love
Day Four: A female character you relate to
Day Five: Favourite female character on a male-driven show
Day Six: Favourite female-driven show
Day Seven: A female character that needs more screen time
Day Eight: Favourite female character in a comedy show
Day Nine: Favourite female character in a drama show
Day Ten: Favourite female character in a scifi/supernatural show
Day Eleven: Favourite female character in a children’s show
Day Twelve: Favourite female character in a movie
Day Thirteen: Favourite female character in a book
Day Fourteen: Favourite older female character
Day Fifteen: Favourite female character growth arc
Day Sixteen: Favourite mother character
Day Seventeen: Favourite warrior female character
Day Eighteen: Favourite non-warrior female character
Day Nineteen: Favourite non-human female character
Day Twenty: Favourite female antagonist
Day Twenty-One: Favourite female character screwed over by canon
Day Twenty-Two: Favourite female character you love but everyone else hates
Day Twenty-Three: Favourite female platonic relationship
Day Twenty-Four: Favourite female romantic relationship
Day Twenty-Five: Favourite mother/daughter and/or sister relationship
Day Twenty-Six: Favourite classical female character (from pre-20th century literature or mythology or the like)
Day Twenty-Seven: A female character you have extensive personal canon for
Day Twenty-Eight: Favourite female writer (television, books, movies, etc.)
Day Twenty-Nine: A female-centric fic rec
Day Thirty: Whatever you'd like

Comments:

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qwentoozla at 6:26 am on 06 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I have to say, I also don't find Steven Moffat to be misogynist... I sometimes disagree with his decisions, and I can sometimes see where people are coming from with their objections, but he just doesn't seem like a misogynist writer to me? I'm kind of relieved to hear you say so, because I consider myself a feminist too, and I wouldn't want to go around excusing sexism willy-nilly. :)

I have a few problems with the plot points surrounding some of the revelations about her, but I don't have any serious problems with her.

I definitely agree with this. :)
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 11:39 am on 06 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
I'm kind of relieved to hear you say so, because I consider myself a feminist too, and I wouldn't want to go around excusing sexism willy-nilly.

Hooray for solidarity!

When it comes to things like this - like sexism, racism, etc. - I suppose there are some things that are so obviously discriminatory or whatever that no one can really argue with it and then everything else is maybe open to debate. I'm certainly not saying that just because I don't find Moffat's writing sexist that that is the end of the discussion and no one else can find it that way either, but unlike you I don't see where people are coming from with their objections. I honestly, 100%, just don't get him as being sexist at all and there are actually several things in Who under his direction, not necessarily all from episodes he wrote but still, that I would point to as examples of how to do sex and gender correctly.
Unsentimental Fool
unsentimentalf at 9:47 pm on 07 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
River Song is a marvellous character in pretty much every respect.

I see these accusations fly around and I wonder whether people are losing sight of what fiction involves, or whether they ever understood it in the first place. A character isn't there just to be a role model, or to demonstrate that women are strong/independent/whatever; she's there to be part of a story. Sure, if none of a show's women characters are ever more than filling or always end up sacrificed then they're doing something wrong, but the fact that a single female character ends up with an arc you don't like doesn't make the writer misogynist. He's not there to write the ending you wanted. (That's what fanfic's for.)
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 10:49 pm on 07 March 2013 (UTC) (Link)
It feels sometimes with Doctor Who that people are mad that the story lines of the other characters revolve around the Doctor. They say it is sexist that Amy and River are both just there to help tell a man's story (The Doctor) and that is proof of Moffat's sexism. I just want to ask them what they think the big title screen that says "DOCTOR WHO" means if not that, yeah, this show is about the Doctor and every other character's story, regardless of the gender/sex of those characters, is secondary to and there to support the titular character and that is in fact a feature not a bug.

I feel like a lot of the criticism of Moffat is him getting blamed for larger societal problems that he hasn't created. Yes, it sucks that the vast majority of pop culture can't pass the Bechdel Test, but not every single thing that can't pass it is automatically sexist or created by a misogynist. The individual pieces may not be problematic even if the aggregate is and you can't blame the creator of one piece for the problems of the whole.


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