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Posted on Thursday 29 November 2007 at 7:20 pm

LJ Update - Flagging "Adult Content"


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I know some of you may be interested in this but may not have seen it yet: LJ has announced their solution to porn on the internet. Or you know, something like that. If you're at all concerned or interested in everything surrounding Strikethrough, adult content, etc. on LJ, be sure to read this post at lj_biz. I've barely started scanning it so I'll edit this with my thoughts in a little bit.

EDIT: I've read the full post and the associated FAQ. I think this is a step in the right direction. I see kinks in the system (not the least of which is lack of a clear policy on what is "adult content" or not suitable for people under 14/18), but that is always the case with anything new. Hopefully this will work for the better to ease some of the pressure and fighting.

I strongly encourage everyone to read the LJ_biz post and the FAQ linked to in the post, especially if you have ever posted anything that would be rated PG-13, R, or NC-17 if it were made into a movie. Under this new system, you'll need to think about putting an adult content label on those posts.

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What's Taters, Precious?
mrstater at 2:46 am on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
Haha So I just marked all my stuff that I've rated R as "adult concepts" because I don't think I've really written anything truly explicit, and then I logged out to test it and you don't have to prove anything at all.

The thing that's always hairy here is that how do you define what is explicit and what is merely an adult concept? I always go by if I'm not using precise descriptions or anatomical words or even euphemisms, then it's not explicit. But how do I know someone from the morality police doesn't think what I think is adult concept is going to flag my stuff as explicit and then I'll be in trouble?
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 3:01 am on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
This entire thing is just a smoke screen so that 6A can say "Look! We're trying to protect the kiddies" without doing anything. I think that is what it was deisgned for though so it works brilliantly for its purpose. Whether that purpose is good or not is a completely different question worthy of debate.

All of this works on the LJ-cut system. So if someone is linked to the full entry view, none of it it will take effect. This only matters when viewing an entry on a multiple-entry view such as recent entires, a friends page, or the day calendar view. Even then, a logged-out user merely has to click a button that says "I promise I've over 14/18" to view the entry.

I do agree the trickiest thing about all this is the lack of clarification of what is suitable for 14/18 year olds. What exactly is adult concept is still the big question. That and is there a penalty for people who repeatedly do not label their own entries as adult and are flagged to LJ abuse by multiple other people on multiple posts.
What's Taters, Precious?
mrstater at 3:03 am on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
Hopefully there's no one jerky enough to come through fanfic journals and flag entries...
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 3:08 am on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I'm sure there are but they'll go for the huge slash archives.
JD
jdbracknell at 12:11 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I quite like the way they've done this, that there's a halfway house between adult content and non-adult content, into which I think the vast majority of fandom things will probably fall. I've stuck both my journals under those - then I think I don't have to think about it, in case I suddenly want to start writing NC-17 stuff.... Although does that mean non-registered users won't be able to see my page? I'll have to check....

I just really feel for the LJ Abuse team. They're going to be inundated by malicious flags from people with grudges against other users, people who hate the system etc., I think, at least initially.
JD
jdbracknell at 12:44 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
Actually, scratch that. Logged out and hated the way it looked, so I've been through all my fics and flagged individually, lol.
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 1:27 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I've flagged one of my fics as adult over 18 only and didn't mind the way it looked and non-logged-in visitors would have absolutely no problems viewing it. How did it look when you did the entire journal? Was every entry behind a cut so your entire main page was nothing but lj-cut links saying "You are about to view adult content" or was it done differently?

I like that LJ has it set-up so that anyone who flags a ton of stuff that clearly isn't adult content will have his or her flags ignored in the future. I wonder how many flags they are getting on the biz and news posts announcing this and if they will automatically ignore anyone flagging those posts.
JD
jdbracknell at 1:39 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
It was nothing but cuts saying 'you are about to view contents that may be unsuitable for minors', which just looked really awful - just that and the icon, lol.

I wouldn't mind if you could post a header or something outside the warning text to explain why it's got a warning label on it. Strikes me as a bit of a flaw in the system, that it's so blanket - how are people supposed to know if they want to click or not, if all they get is a note saying it may be innapropriate? I like to know why, because I'm more than happy to read Remus/Lily smut or whatever, but I don't want to be viewing hard-core non-con Snape/Lupin, and will I be able to tell the difference if they both just get the same warning? I suppose as long as people still post headers underneath the cuts....

Didn't take me long to go through and just change the settings on the r-rated stuff, because I had it all marked anyway, although Werewolf gave me a dilemma, whether to just change the settings on the first chapter and anything new I post, or to go through and do it for each entry, or just the chapters that have got the racy stuff in....
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 1:54 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I've changed my only truly smut fic to over 18 already. Now I just have to decide which, if any, of my fics involving suggestiveness and/or nudity need to be labeled with the over 14 option. I'll get to it eventually.

I think we're going to have to see an evolution in fandom of how fics are labeled for warnings. The old header won't work anymore since it is now going to be hidden behind a cut. My best guess is that all pairings and warning details are going to migrate to either the subject line or the tags since both of those remain outside LJ's warning cut. My suggestion would be the tags since that makes browsing/searching for fic easy as well, but I love tags oh so very much in general as anyone who's known me on here for more than a month probably already knows.

I should do a write-up on the glory that is tagging and how it can solve this problem and post it to meta-fandom.
What's Taters, Precious?
mrstater at 7:35 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
Did you do yours as the "adult concepts" or "explicit"? I went for "adult concepts" because I've never used a word more explicit than "nipples." But I got all confused because I don't consider any of the sex scenes I've written to be explicit (nor would I yours), even though it's perfectly clear what's going on...
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 7:39 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I haven't done anything to any of the R/T stuff. I labeled that one Star Wars smut fic as explicit because it is totally PWP. A few of my R/T things might be adult concepts but none of it is explicit. I haven't decided what if any of the R/T stuff I'll label as adult concepts. I'm really curious to see what Sam has to say as well because I think the lines on either side of this adult concept thing is very fuzzy.

Edited at 2007-11-30 07:40 pm (UTC)
What's Taters, Precious?
mrstater at 7:41 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I was actually asking Sam. ;)
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 7:47 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I caught that. I knew you already knew what I was saying but I wanted to add it on here for discussion sake. I edited my comment before you replied to make it clearer that I knew you meant Sam because I'd realized it wasn't clear.
What's Taters, Precious?
mrstater at 7:49 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
That'll teach me not to read edited comments more closely! LOL I'm sorry if my other comment sounded rude! I didn't mean it like that at all.

Edited at 2007-11-30 07:52 pm (UTC)
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 7:56 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
It totally didn't sound rude. No worries!
What's Taters, Precious?
mrstater at 7:56 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
Cool! I am paranoid!
drumher
drumher at 4:13 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
I've been pretty half-assed (do I have to flag this post Adult Content since I said "Ass"?) about following all these rules regarding posting content. I don't think there are that many people even stopping by my journal and my art is pretty tame. But I wonder now if I need to find the time and get my journal up to speed before I post the revised "Naughty" version of "Changes", which is going to feature Remus' pelvis quite prominently. Not being a parent or responsible adult ;), I have a difficult time rating my stuff as my moral compass is not as straight and narrow as others.
Rachael
bratty_jedi at 6:41 pm on 30 November 2007 (UTC) (Link)
Apparently LJ won't force anyone to go to the 14 or over setting, only the 18 and over one. So basically I'd say if you show full frontal nudity, add an over 18 warning but otherwise don't worry about it.


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